MagicEngine

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6

I've seen various other games discussed with this problem, but I'll be damned if I can get this to work...

Just burned Y's Book I and II to a CD... I put the SYSCARD3.PCE in my ME directory, I disabled digital playback on my CD drive, and I get nothing. There's no sound at all during the intial title screen, and when that passes I get maybe three seconds of the intro screen and nothing again, even if I plug my headphones into the CD... not too sure what you guys need to help, but let me know what I can post to help out or tell me what I need to do to get this working.

Thanks!

-Admiral John

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6

The opening title sequence after the main title screen will give me about three seconds of sound before blacking out, and I'll get about the same during the intro sequence. If I plug headphones into the jack on my CD ROM I still get nothing.

I use Magic Engine v.98... here's the log file that generates after running the CD...

#1

[VIDEO INIT]
check video modes...
- 320x200 (60Hz)
- 320x200 (75Hz)
- 320x240 (60Hz)
- 320x240 (75Hz)
- 400x300 (60Hz)
- 400x300 (75Hz)
- 512x384 (60Hz)
- 512x384 (75Hz)
- 640x400 (60Hz)
- 640x400 (75Hz)
* 640x480 (60Hz)
* 640x480 (72Hz)
* 640x480 (75Hz)
* 640x480 (85Hz)
* 640x480 (90Hz)
* 640x480 (100Hz)
* 640x480 (120Hz)
* 640x480 (160Hz)
* 640x480 (200Hz)
user video modes...
- 640x480 [8]
- 640x480 [8]
- 640x480 [8]
- 640x480 [8]

[JOYSTICK INIT]
getting number of joystick device... 16 device(s) found
scanning joystick device(s)...
- joystick 1 (ID=0x045E,0x01EB X= 0/ 65535 Y= 0/ 65535 (driver="Microsoft PC-joystick driver")... plugged
- joystick 2 (ID=0x07B5,0x9903 X= 0/ 65535 Y= 0/ 65535 (driver="Microsoft PC-joystick driver")... plugged
- joystick 3 ()... not plugged
- joystick 4 ()... not plugged
- joystick 5 ()... not plugged
- joystick 6 ()... not plugged
- joystick 7 ()... not plugged
- joystick 8 ()... not plugged
- joystick 9 ()... not plugged
- joystick 10 ()... not plugged
- joystick 11 ()... not plugged
- joystick 12 ()... not plugged
- joystick 13 ()... not plugged
- joystick 14 ()... not plugged
- joystick 15 ()... not plugged
- joystick 16 ()... not plugged
total: 2 joystick(s) plugged

[SOUND INIT]
init sound timer... OK
init direct sound interface... OK
set cooperative level... OK
create primary buffer... OK
setup primary buffer: freq=44100 channels=2 bits=16... OK
alloc sound buffer... OK
play sound buffer... OK
check sound buffer... OK
init CD audio volume control... no control!

[BACKUP RAM]
loading backup RAM database index file : "C:\Program Files\TG16\backup.idx"... OK
checking database... 7 bank(s) found
clear and initialize a new backup RAM

[CD-ROM INIT]
opening ASPI DLL... OK
scanning ASPI devices... found 1 CD-ROM drive(s)
CD-ROM timeout set to 0
create dummy rom... OK
searching game backup RAM in database [10000001|00000000]... not found
clear and initialize a new backup RAM

[HUCARD]
opening ROM file : "syscard3.pce"... OK
loading ROM... OK
searching game backup RAM in database [6D9A73EF|00000000]... not found
clear and initialize a new backup RAM

[CD]

[BOOT CD]
test unit... ready (0ms)
reading TOC...
- OK, 43 track(s) detected
track 1 [10]: 00 02 00 ( 0, 3515)
track 2 [14]: 00 48 65 ( 3515, 12071)
track 3 [10]: 02 42 71 ( 12071, 21335)
track 4 [10]: 04 46 35 ( 21335, 30580)
track 5 [10]: 06 49 55 ( 30580, 40052)
track 6 [10]: 08 56 02 ( 40052, 49430)
track 7 [10]: 11 01 05 ( 49430, 57803)
track 8 [10]: 12 52 53 ( 57803, 67354)
track 9 [10]: 15 00 04 ( 67354, 77992)
track 10 [10]: 17 21 67 ( 77992, 88408)
track 11 [10]: 19 40 58 ( 88408, 98279)
track 12 [10]: 21 52 29 ( 98279, 107187)
track 13 [10]: 23 51 12 ( 107187, 116135)
track 14 [10]: 25 50 35 ( 116135, 129661)
track 15 [10]: 28 50 61 ( 129661, 142986)
track 16 [10]: 31 48 36 ( 142986, 153799)
track 17 [10]: 34 12 49 ( 153799, 161329)
track 18 [10]: 35 53 04 ( 161329, 172010)
track 19 [10]: 38 15 35 ( 172010, 179423)
track 20 [10]: 39 54 23 ( 179423, 201878)
track 21 [10]: 44 53 53 ( 201878, 214229)
track 22 [10]: 47 38 29 ( 214229, 222812)
track 23 [10]: 49 32 62 ( 222812, 231603)
track 24 [10]: 51 30 03 ( 231603, 236338)
track 25 [10]: 52 33 13 ( 236338, 246325)
track 26 [10]: 54 46 25 ( 246325, 258757)
track 27 [10]: 57 32 07 ( 258757, 273221)
track 28 [10]: 60 44 71 ( 273221, 277627)
track 29 [10]: 61 43 52 ( 277627, 279026)
track 30 [10]: 62 02 26 ( 279026, 283529)
track 31 [10]: 63 02 29 ( 283529, 286538)
track 32 [10]: 63 42 38 ( 286538, 288211)
track 33 [10]: 64 04 61 ( 288211, 289650)
track 34 [10]: 64 24 00 ( 289650, 292162)
track 35 [10]: 64 57 37 ( 292162, 292976)
track 36 [10]: 65 08 26 ( 292976, 297880)
track 37 [10]: 66 13 55 ( 297880, 303223)
track 38 [10]: 67 24 73 ( 303223, 308143)
track 39 [10]: 68 30 43 ( 308143, 309282)
track 40 [10]: 68 45 57 ( 309282, 312855)
track 41 [10]: 69 33 30 ( 312855, 318518)
track 42 [10]: 70 48 68 ( 318518, 321462)
track 43 [10]: 71 28 12 ( 321462, 326271)
read sector 3515...3516 (2)
read sector 3515searching game backup RAM in database [313E3A4F|23507042]... not found
clear and initialize a new backup RAM
...3642 (128)
read sector 3579...3580 (2)
read sector 3707...3725 (19)
read sector 3739...3754 (16)
read sector 3803...3834 (32)
read sector 3771...3802 (32)
play audio 201878...214229
read sector 3803...3834 (32)
read sector 4859...4877 (19)
read sector 4891...4906 (16)
read sector 4955...4986 (32)
read sector 4923...4954 (32)
play audio 214229...222812

And here's the pce.ini file...

# ----
# emulation settings
# ----

[emulation]

;
; soft reset (RUN + SELECT)
; --
; y -> enabled [default]
; n -> disabled
;

soft_reset=y

# ----
# sound settings
# ----
#

[sound]

;
; sound
; --
; y -> enabled [default]
; n -> disabled
;

sound=y

;
; frequency
; --
; set sound frequency (8000 - 48000)
;

frequency=44100

;
; 16-bit
; --
; y -> enabled [16-bit]
; n -> disabled [ 8-bit]
;

16bit=y

;
; stereo
; --
; y -> enabled [stereo]
; n -> disabled [mono]
;

stereo=y

;
; interpolation
; --
; y -> enabled
; n -> disabled [default]
;

interpolation=n

;
; delay
; --
; adjust sound DMA delay (2 - 30), in 1/60th of second
; (best delay is auto detected by default)
;

delay=

;
; CD-ROM audio input line
; --
; 0 -> first audio input line [default]
; 1 -> second audio input line
; ...
;

cd_audio_input_line=0

# ----
# video settings
# ----
#

[video]

;
; display zoom
; --
; 0 -> software [default]
; 1 -> hardware
;

zoom=1

;
; auto frame skip
; --
; y -> enabled
; n -> disabled [default]
;

auto_frame_skip=n

;
; video sync
; --
; y -> enabled
; n -> disabled [default]
;

vsync=n

;
; screen resolutions
; --
; custom screen resolutions to be used for the different
; PC-Engine video modes (256x224, 320x224, and 352x224)
;
; (by default a resolution of 640x480 is used for all the
; video modes)
;

res_256=640,480
res_320=640,480
res_352=640,480

# ----
# TV mode settings
# ----

[tv_mode]

;
; tv_mode
; --
; y -> start in TV mode
; n -> start in normal mode [default]
;

tv_mode=n

;
; wide screen
; --
; y -> enabled
; n -> disabled [default]
;

wide=n

;
; horizontal interpolation
; --
; y -> enabled [default]
; n -> disabled
;

interpolation=y

;
; scanlines:
; --
; 0 -> 100% (black scanlines)
; 1 -> 75%
; 2 -> 50% [default]
; 3 -> 0% (no scanlines)
;

scanlines=2

;
; gamma correction:
; --
; adjust gamma level (0 - 5)
;

gamma=1

;
; brightness control:
; --
; adjust brightness (0 - Cool

;

brightness=1

# ----
# gamepad settings
# ----

[gamepad]

;
; gamepad
; --
; y -> enabled [default]
; n -> disabled
;

gamepad=y

;
; auto fire speed
; --
; 1 (fast) to 10 (slow)
;

auto_fire_speed=2

;
; auto calibration control
; --
; 50% (default) to 90%
;

auto_calibration=70

# ----
# keyboard settings
# ----

[keyboard]

;
; type of keyboard
; --
; 0 -> AZERTY
; 1 -> QWERTY [default]
; 2 -> QWERTZ
;

type=1

;
; unlock numeric keypad
; --
; unlock numeric keypad keys 0 to 9, /, *, . and ENTER
;
; y -> unlocked
; n -> locked [default]
;

numpad=n

;
; unlock numeric keys
; --
; unlock keys 0 to 9
;
; y -> unlocked
; n -> locked [default]
;

numkeys=n

;
; unlock ctrl keys
; --
; unlock INS, DEL, HOME, END, PGUP, PGDOWN control keys
;
; y -> unlocked
; n -> locked [default]
;

ctrlkeys=n

;
; ESC key mode
; --
; change ESC key function
;
; 0 -> automatic mode : [default]
; --------------
; when the emulator is started from a shell or from a front-end
; program pressing ESC will exit the emulator, but when
; the emulator is started by double-clicking on its icon
; pressing ESC will open the menu screen
;
; 1 -> GUI mode :
; ---------
; pressing ESC will always open the menu screen
;
; 2 -> exit mode :
; ---------
; pressing ESC will always exit the emulator
;

esc_key_mode=0

;
; auto repeat delay
; --
; 1 (very fast) to 8 (slow)
;

auto_repeat_delay=2

;
; auto repeat rate
; --
; number of time the key is repeated per second (1 - 16)
;

auto_repeat_rate=9

# ----
# load menu settings
# ----

[load]

;
; drive list
; --
; list of disk drives displayed in the load menu
;

drive_list=CDEF

# ----
# misc. settings
# ----

[misc]

;
; number of state file
; --
; 4 - 8
;

nb_state_file=4

;
; state file compression
; --
; y -> enable [default]
; n -> disable
;

compress_state_file=y

;
; backup ram format
; --
; 0 -> old format (backup.ram)
; 1 -> new format (backup.dat, backup.idx) [default]
;

backup_ram=1

;
; enable debug log file
; --
; y -> enable [default]
; n -> disable
;

debug_log=y

# ----
# CD-ROM settings
# ----

[cdrom]

;
; CD-ROM drive
; --
; 0 -> first CD-ROM drive [default]
; 1 -> second CD-ROM drive
; ...
;

drive=

;
; SCSI driver timeout
; --
; change the delay that the emulator waits when accessing
; the CD-ROM SCSI driver, 0 is infinite delay
;

timeout=0

;
; CD-ROM cache
; --
; y -> enable
; n -> disable [default]
;

cache=n

;
; CD-ROM cache size
; --
; in KB [default is 512KB]
;

cache_size=512

# ----
# path settings
# ----

[path]

;
; system card paths
; --
;

system_card_1=
system_card_2=
system_card_3=
system_card_4=

;
; config path
; --
; (pce.cfg,
; backup.dat, backup.idx,
; games.idx,
; time.dat,
; k12x12.fnt, k16x16.fnt)
;

config=

;
; screenshot path
; --
;

screenshots=

;
; saved game path
; --
;

saved_games=

I burned the game normally, and CloneCd v4.0.1.10 gave me no errors or any indication anything burned incorrectly. I used the normal method... just selected "write from image", selected the ccd sheet, selected "make a data cd" and away she went. After combining the files I got three files:

y's.ccd (10kb file)
y's.img (749,404kb file)
y's.sub (30,588kb file)

The person who posted the game said I should use the "make a game dics" option in CloneCD, but I get the same results. I'm at a loss. Anyone help me out? And if I was able to obtain the actual CD of the game as opposed to an image, would I have the same problems?

-Admiral John

Kaminari · Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2002 2:53 pm Post subject:

The most obvious thing would be to try listening to your game in a CD player. Just be careful to skip the second track (some players don't like data tracks at all). If you don't hear any sound, you know what it means.

Another thing that comes to mind: can you listen to regular audio CDs in analog mode? And I really mean analog, not digital. Even when you disable digital mode in your Device Manager, some players / rippers are still able to force your drive into digital. If you're using Winamp 3, disable 'CD audio extraction' in the CD audio settings, relaunch Winamp and see what it does (on speakers and headphones).

Third point: forget ME 0.98 and upgrade to 0.99b5.

Finally I would recommend that you modify your INI this way:

;
; CD-ROM audio input line
; --
; 0 -> first audio input line [default]
; 1 -> second audio input line
; ...
;

cd_audio_input_line=

;
; CD-ROM drive
; --
; 0 -> first CD-ROM drive [default]
; 1 -> second CD-ROM drive
; ...
;

drive=0

And leave your debug log activated Smile

Jabberwok · Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2002 10:38 pm Post subject:

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6

Because I happened to find the software at a site with an older version of it. I've since gotten the most recent version but have the same problem.
Being new to TG16 emulation, I'm still learning the ropes. So be nice to me. Smile

Jabberwok · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 12:51 am Post subject:

hummmmm....... www.magicengine.com seems nice to me Wink

How many PCE.something was there in the zip? maybe something is wrong...

Also, do you remember the url of this site? we should tell the administrator to update a little...
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Kaminari · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:19 am Post subject:

Admiral John, you didn't answer my questions. We need some feedback if we are to be of any help.

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6

Admiral John, you didn't answer my questions. We need some feedback if we are to be of any help.

Sorry 'bout that. Embarassed

Anyways, I tried to listen to the audio through the front and I can hear the audio for the three or four seconds through the headphones that I can hear through the speakers. I tried making the changes you recommended to my pce.ini file with no difference. I updated my version to the most recent one from here and still have the same problem. I even went so far as to try to emulate the CD Drive with Daemon tools, but that, to be blunt, was a disaster. Froze the whole system.

Maybe I'm an idiot (okay, there's no maybe there) but I can't find an option in Winamp to disable the digital output, and I do use version 3. when I stick the disc I burned in the cd player, it shows one file called "track01" and nothing else.

The game itself works okay.... if I boot using the System Card 3.0 I have the ingame sounds... just no CD audio. I can't see any other tracks other than the first one no matter what I use to look for them... Exporer, Winamp... any of them.

Does this help at all? The person who posted the image in the newsgroup I downloaded it from said the problem is probably in the image itself and not anything on my side, so if I bought the actuall game itself would I have these same problems?

-Admiral John

Kaminari · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:01 pm Post subject:

Kaminari · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 2:06 pm Post subject:

Jabberwok · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 10:48 pm Post subject:

Indeed. The sound you're hearing Admiral john can't be the loading pcm because no pcm can come out of the headphones jack. The problem you're having is a bad disk : your cd player only sees the first track ( the warning track right? ) & the iso doesn't appear as an audio track. So you got only a warning track & an iso... the rest got skipped by your burner...

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6

Okay, here's what I got...

Putting the CD into my home stereo reveals a bunch of tracks I can play and hear. So I'm good there. Unchecking the box in Winamp still lets me hear CD's, both through the speakers and through the CD-ROM jack. And if I put an audio CD into my CD-ROM I can play it fine through Magic Engine.

Now, some clarification on what I can hear through the headphones... when I first run the CD I see a still picture of "Y's" with the tower in the background and hear nothing. As the copyright info plays, I get a few seconds of the intro theme, then nothing. I'll hear nothing else unti I start the game. Over the text "In the beginning..." I'll hear a few seconds of waves and seagulls through the speakers but NOT the headphones, then as it shows a shot of the boat (looks like it's coming right at you) I'll hear another snippet of CD audio through the headphones and speakers and the nothing. If I start the game the PCE sound comes through the speakers but not the headphones. The game itself is okay... it's just a CD sound issue I can't resolve.

Now when I played this game on my original TG16 system I seem to remember that music played over the first screen... the "Y's Book I and II" with the tower. I hear nothing during that portion. I seem to remember seeing a thread here somewhere about audio sync problems with this game I'll look for, but lacking that, this is where I sit. I don't have any original TG16 CD's to play, but from what I've seen there's something else going on here.

I appreciate the help you've given me so far, and since I just lost my bid on Ebay for the game this is my last chance to get this working. If you have any other thoughts, by all means share. Smile

-Admiral John

Jabberwok · Posted: Tue Sep 24, 2002 11:02 pm Post subject:

Cdr issue no doubt. sometimes burning a game at a high speed with a bad quality cd-r produces bad cd's. Try re-burning it at 1x with a good quality cd. If this doesn't work, try getting the game from another source. Like I said, the RIGG group is the place to get CDR related info Wink

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Kaminari · Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2002 3:30 am Post subject:

Admiral John · Visitor Joined: 23 Sep 2002 Posts: 6